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[DISCUSSION] What is it about 'ANTI' that makes it so "groundbreaking" and all?
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I mean, we've discussed in depth - Witness, Joanne, Melodrama, Lemonade, Ed, CTRL, that Mariah Carey album which was like her evaporation or something, so I think it's cool if I bring up this one, right?
Anyways, yes, I wasn't won over by Rihanna's ANTI, however I still really dig KIB & LOTB, both of them are sublime tracks back to front. Oh, and I enjoyed Rih & SZA on 'Consideration', hope they collab again.
My views aside majority of fans/stans I'm noticing really love this album and even claim its one of the best albums, and projects this decade, and even deserved 'AOTY' at the Grammys? That's quite a statement. Personally I just didn't see it. I thought it was fine, but I've... heard better R&B/soul albums before (lyrically, sonically, personality-wise).
I know music is subjective, however sometimes there's like a 'general consensus' when it comes to things, and I guess I just didn't make the cut this time around. So, I'm genuinely curious to hear it from your perspective - "What is it about ANTI that makes it so groundbreaking and one of the best albums this decade", like what separates it from other Rihanna or R&B/Pop albums and all?
Sometimes it takes a different hat (Joanne's impact) for something to click or even just appreciate something, you know.. not always but sometimes.
Edit: sorry, hope that made sense. If not please let me know so I can edit words. I don't mean to get my points tangled up. Guess I've just always been more a practical > theory guy
the layers really do come into play when discussing music tbh
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Top Comment: It's not really that groundbreaking sonically. Nothing in particular is "new" but she brings together diverse sonic styles and aesthetics in a really smooth way that shows off a lot of her personality. AND, for the first time in her career, THE WHOLE ALBUM IS GOOD. (Ok, Loud was pretty consistent too, but it was a little more bubblegum so I think that's why it didn't demand respect like ANTI did.) That's what made it really special I think. Rihanna was always such a transparent singles artist, and she was pumping out a new album every year with 2-3 mega hits and a bunch of filler. Then she made us wait for a few years... and BAM out comes a moody, interesting album that, in classic Rihanna style, makes the very best of everything cool in pop music at that time and caters it to Rih's charismatic personality. For YEARS, critics (usually out-of-touch critics, tbh) have been talking about "the death of the album" and how artists only care about singles and no mainstream artists give a shit about albums anymore. Rihanna, like Beyonce and Kanye and a handful of others, said "fuck you" to that by releasing an album with a more cohesive artistic vision and consistent quality.
What does being an "anti" mean?
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Im a fanfic writer, but I dont really spend much time interacting with other fanfics, but recently I saw a post talking about "antis" and Im confused what does it mean? It talks about how they are "anti" problematic ships? Problematic as in like adult x minor? Incest ships? That sounds reasonable to me, but I saw so much hate for "antis" in the post and the comments, so idk if it would make sense if that was the case?
Top Comment: Hi, this is an automated response to make sure we're all on the same page about the definitions of proshipping and antishipping. There is often a lot of confusion about these terms and people get confused pretty frequently. Its always best to make sure we're all on the same page about what we are talking about. Anti-shipping/being an anti/being an antishipper/etc has a definition that has morphed a bit over time. Here is some history. Back in the 90's and early 2000's it mostly meant being against shipping in general or being against a specific ship. This was mostly used in specific fandoms/wasn't a pan-fandom term. Since the 2010's however, a pan-fandom definition did emerge and is the most common usage now. That definition is being actively against certain ships or tropes that are deemed problematic or harmful in some way. Note this does not mean being uncomfortable with reading a certain ship, trope, or problematic thing in a fanfiction or seeing fanart of a certain ship, trope, or problematic thing. It refers to people who advocate for the banning, removal, or heavily hiding of that content that they don't want to see. This has led to many harassment and doxxing issues in fandom spaces. Anyone from proship people they were arguing with, to random users who had written a "problematic" fanfiction and uploaded it to AO3, to anyone who so much as uses AO3 at all, have all been the subjects of these harassment problems. Conversely, proshipping/being a pro-shipper/being an anti-anti/etc, is a response term to the previously discussed antishipping. It's defined as being against antishipping (using the modern pan-fandom definition). Simply put, it means someone who is against censorship of content in fandom, against harassment and doxxing, and are of the opinion that regardless of if they personally don't like a specific ship/trope/problematic thing, it has a right to exist and be enjoyed by those who do like that specific ship/trope/problematic thing. Despite being against harassment, this side of the discourse has also had an issue with harassment on occasion. The subjects of that harassment have been people who self-identify as being an antishipper, or regardless of self-identification, someone who'sbeliefs match those of an anti-shipper. AO3 is generally considered to be a proship website with its foundation having been built on a stance of no censorship, and their rules explicitly not banning problematic content. For more info you can check the fanlore articles for proshipping and antishipping Tl;dr: antishipping = wanting to ban problematic content/content they don't like proshipping = ship and let ship/donāt like don't read I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
Why is Reddit so overwhelmingly left wing and anti work?
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Iām a 36 year old blue collar guy. I was raised by a hard working middle class family. I was taught that nothing is handed to you and if you want something, you work for it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this way of thinking..
Iām part of numerous different subreddits and most of these subs are very similar to one another. Itās just a bunch of people trying to push this narrative that āAmerica is racistā and having a good work ethic and working hard is this evil thing that should be looked down on.
I get downvoted and called the most vile, disgusting things just because I believe in having goals and working hard to achieve your goals. I donāt understand why Im basically getting rocks thrown at me from every direction. I feel like Reddit is so far detached from reality. Itās almost like Iām on a different planet where nothing makes sense anymore. Up is down, the sky is green, right is wrong.
When Iām not on Reddit and Iām living my everyday life or Iām on other social media platforms I run into more people who share my same views but it seems like on Reddit itās mostly people pushing this left wing/anti work agenda. I very rarely see anyone who disagrees with these people. Itās the most bizarre thing Iāve ever seen.
Reddit is clearly not balanced at all. Just seems like one giant left wing echo chamber.
Top Comment: One reason you might be feeling baffled is that you're assuming things go hand-in-hand when they dont actually have anything to do with each other. You've asked: Why is Reddit so overwhelmingly left wing...? Why is Reddit so... anti work? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you may be assuming these things go together when they don't. I don't know anyone who considers themselves to be on the left who is against working. I think maybe you're confusing being against working with being against letting people with unearned wealth take advantage of people who have to earn their wealth. Iām a 36 year old blue collar guy. I was raised by a hard working middle class family. I was taught that nothing is handed to you and if you want something, you work for it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with this way of thinking. Cool, me too (well not a guy and I'm 42, but you know what I mean). I'm from Detroit. We are proud of how hard we work and that we can see the impact of what we do with our own hands. I was taught the same thing. The difference may be that I was also taught to not let myself be taken advantage of by the companies I work for. When I was growing up here in Detroit, many working class people either worked for one of the Big Three auto manufacturers or did work related to them. So, the UAW and other unions were a big part of the culture. When a union would vote to strike, the attitude toward employers (aka "Management") wasn't "We don't want to work and you can't make us!" Instead, the attitude was very much, "Hurry up, stop being greedy, and get your s***t together because we want to get back to work!" Doing that was the way that working class people could build wealth: buy houses, save for retirement, etc.. Execs in the Big Three still got super rich, but the working class people who did the work that made them rich weren't left with nothing, at least. The fact is, big companies and wealthy families conspire to get you to work more for less so they can work less for more. The unions were (and maybe still are) an answer to that. Anyway, I think it's very similar to most Redditors in 2024. Only, Redditors are mostly people my age and (much) younger. We never had a chance to benefit as adults from strong unions in the manufacturing and skilled trade industries. By the time we became adults, most blue collar jobs that would pay a decent wage were long gone, outsourced to China or Mexico or some other places where the people were poorer and therefore more desperate than Americans. And now, I have kids who are Redditors (late teens/early 20s). People like my kids never even had the benefit of seeing that working class people could make a decent living, let alone build wealth at all. From where they sit, working class people work until they die or are disabled (at which point they live in poverty). Meanwhile, unearned wealth among the super rich is higher than it has ever been in human history. So, yeah, people around my kids' age are much angrier and more hopeless about the prospect of financial security than I was at there age, even though I was much, much angrier and anxious than my parents ever were. having a good work ethic and working hard is this evil thing that should be looked down on. Now, this is why I think you're confused, because I've never in my life heard anyone...except wealthy people say a word against working hard. So, I'm wondering if that confusion may have caused you to assume that people who say that America is racist are simple "pushing a narrative" instead of pointing out something that's truer than you may think. I mean, just because you haven't experienced being put in danger or pushed out from opportunities only because of your race doesn't mean other people haven't been. And if you didn't just assume people were lying when they told you about racism they've experienced or seen, you might see that. Otherwise, you wouldn't assume that people acknowledging racism are doing so for the same imaginary reasons you think make them "against hard work". So, again: you know what they say about assumptions. I get downvoted and called the most vile, disgusting things just because I believe in having goals and working hard to achieve your goals. No, that's not why. I already explained above so I won't belabor the point. I feel like Reddit is so far detached from reality. Itās almost like Iām on a different planet where nothing makes sense anymore. Up is down, the sky is green, right is wrong. Could it be that most of your information about the world comes from people you already agree with? That would explain why other opinions strike you as being fake or unreal. If you were my friend outside of the Internet, I'd give you the unsolicited advice to stay on Reddit and, just for the sake of argument, try reading what you see hear without assuming it's bulls**t before you even think about it at all.
What is a anti? iāve heard loads of people here say it but no clear definition ty
Main Post: What is a anti? iāve heard loads of people here say it but no clear definition ty
Top Comment: Think of a stan,now thing what they do but with hate instead
Rihanna released āAntiā on January 29, 2016, 8 years ago. It was highly successful, giving her several worldwide hits and garnering critical acclaim.
Main Post: Rihanna released āAntiā on January 29, 2016, 8 years ago. It was highly successful, giving her several worldwide hits and garnering critical acclaim.
Top Comment: For me, this is hands down her best album. It still sounds relatively current, too. I think this will eventually be considered an important album in the contemporary R&B world
Why is Reddit so anti-social and full of takes and views you rarely see in real life? I feel like reddit being the "least bad" social media is not true at all
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This is something i have noticed about this place over time. Obviously i am generalising here, and there are decent communities, which tend to be small and focused on a goal or support related.
However, over many years on this site, i have seen it go down hill so much. around 15 years ago it wasn't such a bad place.
The "typical" person I see on here is male, introverted, likes video games, and is a bit anti-social(in the sense that they dont socialise enough, don't know how to, and are polarising for no reason).
A lot of the opinions i see on here would be a minority in real life, but you see it quite a lot, and they often end up highly upvoted, if not the top. things like general doom and gloom, saying how society is fucked and falling apart, the world is fucked.
Beyond the initial "typical" traits, i have noticed other common themes:
- Extremely pro work from home
- combative towards social situations for no reason(like neighbours or colleagues)
- very vocal with surface level knowledge
This leads to funny situations if not sad, because i read how people have an attitude of "why are my colleagues talking to me on my lunch break" - that they are only interested in working and getting paid and going home - while on the other hand whine about how hard it is to get a girlfriend.
The worst aspect i would have to say is just the general strong dislike of society in general i see on here and glorification of "doom" or something. it is just more antisocial behaviour imo, and really common on here. You just dont find these takes in real life and if you ever did you would feel that person may be depressed or something.
It's exactly what i'd expect from people who have no social skills at all, and just want the world to fall apart to feel better about themselves almost - while the same person is paralysed at the idea of making a phone call or greeting a neighbour.
God forbid you ever mention how video games are bad in any way at all(they can be, like anything). Video games are like one thing that is not divisive at all on here and i find that funny almost and very revealing. If you even hint that playing 8 hours a day after work or not, may not be the best choice in life - a typical swarm of responses will say things like "everything in life is a waste of time, you are on reddit right now" or similar.
Like yeah, Reddit is a waste of time and i feel like a loser the more time i spend on here. nobody is saying you cant engage in things that arent productive. it is just this weird extreme take on it.
Due to this, i really think Reddit is no better than other social media, and may even be worse. I dont want to offend, but i do have an opinion that has been forming for almost 2 decades on this site. It seems to attract a lot of losers, but very vocal ones who create a strong culture surrounding it but treat it as a great thing.
Top Comment: very vocal with surface level knowledge Lol yeah good way to put it. That's social media in general Yeah, I've seen the change, been on Reddit since around 2010. The world has changed quite a bit since then, and Reddit is now a mega echo chamber. Can give you a warped sense of reality of what's actual common opinion in real life. "Reddit is not real life" should be a reminder message every time one logs in/reads a comment. Idk. I'm looking to move away from Reddit since I feel like I've largely aged out and have beliefs that Reddit generally resents now, but it basically replaced forums so can be a challenge. Take me back to GameFAQs
[DISCUSSION] Rihanna - ANTI (5 years later)
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5 years ago Rihanna dropped her highly anticipated 8th studio album āANTIā. Teased with single, which turned into a massive hit, 4. Work ft. Drake. This album was already set to a great start. Had massive shortfilms posted on her YouTube channel. It featured co-production from the likes of a young Travis Scott, an amazing feature from an up-and-coming (at least to the mainstream) SZA and a cover of Tame Impalaās 13. New Person, Same Old Mistakes. This album would turn out to be one of her best project, her best in manyās eyes (mine included).
Some of my personal favorites are; 1. Consideration ft. SZA, 7. Needed Me, 11. Love on The Brain, 12. Higher (my fave), 13. Close to You.
What do yāall think of it 5 years later? What were some of your favorite songs? What expectations does this put on her next album?
Before someone says āthis isnāt hip-hopā, there was a thread about this when it dropped exclusively to tidal 5 years ago.
Top Comment: Man this album is genuinely incredible, and one of the pop masterpieces of the past decade. I only discovered this album back in 2019 but ive had it on repeat, and bought the cd for it, and now have a poster of it up in my room right now. The way she combines pop, R&B, rock and even dancehall throughout this album is amazing, and this has to be one of my favourites of the 2010s. My fav tracks would have to be Love on the Brain, which is one of my all time fav songs, Same Ol Mistakes, Desperado, Higher, Consideration and if were including bonus tracks Sex With Me. This has my expectations through the fuckin sky for her next album, and i cant wait to see where she goes from here. This album was the result of a 4 year hiatus, and now shes been on a 5 year hiatus from music, so im expecting her sound to have evolved even more significantly. Especially if shes rapping like she did on Lemonade and Loyalty back in 2017. This is a 10/10 for me easy, maybe 9 if we include bonus tracks bc i dont really fuck with Pose.